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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222085890" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222085890">(Jan 08 2021 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>meeting in just under an hour</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222089821" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222089821">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Is this available for lurkers to attend?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222089887" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222089887">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's here on Zulip, so yes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093148">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2907">@T-release</span> meeting!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093353" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093353">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>first off, happy new year!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093517" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093517">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to skip wg-triage today - I believe we're still off this week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093557" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093557">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>so let's jump into the 1.49 release "retro"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093677" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093677">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would like to kick off with the blog post, which has been a struggle to pull off lately - usually arriving pretty last minute</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093776" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093776">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Should we establish a draft deadline for that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093823">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>And probably share that responsibility more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093902">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's been really hard to pull that off because any deadline other than the release is pretty arbitrary (and with open source etc there's unclear what not hitting it <em>means</em> in some sense)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093960" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093960">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>At least, it would mean help is needed, and someone else could step in</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222093964" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222093964">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also think it is important that the post is written largely by one person over time, because that helps keep the language and tone consistent</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094001">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean I think, at least a first draft deadline would be a good start. So that there's enough time for anything major to be added or removed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094047" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094047">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am not opposed to be clear to trying that, I guess maybe it would be useful to ask - what would we expect to do if there is not a post by that date?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094099" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094099">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't feel as concerned about tone, since these posts are mostly factual, not opinionated.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094103" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094103">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>i think there's a few things going on here:</p>
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<li>december is like, the hardest time for me, generally.</li>
<li>i didn't realize folks cared about the deadline this much</li>
<li>honestly... the more this becomes a collaborative process, the less i am psyched to do it. that's not to say i don't like you all, or your feedback, or that things have been bad. it's just that to me, writing is kind of an art.</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094104" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094104">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Reassign?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094135">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>and so it feels more like i am beholden to what others want, so i'm just doing busywork</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094166" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094166">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe that means i just shouldn't do it anymore</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094190" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094190">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:39)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116011">@Steve Klabnik</span> in general, is it still something you're excited to do yourself?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094216">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's complicated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094232" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094232">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>it is like... the last thing i have in the rust project that's <em>mine</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094260">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>but, i have been struggling to do <em>anything</em> lately</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094316" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094316">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>lockdown, pandemic, etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094347">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>When I suggest sharing, that's to reduce the burden, not add to it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094354" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094354">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, in one sense, i am very excited about it, but in another, i feel like my brain doesn't work these days</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094380" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094380">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>and so that's also the harder part about deadlines. my executive function is through the floor</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094439">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can certainly relate to that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094544" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094544">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe a good question to ask is if there's others (or shared others, to some extent) who feel they have the bandwidth to help/take over (at least on a temporary basis)?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094571">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, maybe the right call is that explicitly i should step away for 1.50</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094619">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also noted that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> you have release notes up already, which I <em>feel</em> like is 1-1.5 weeks earlier than I usually expect them, which might help us get a longer review period on the post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094655">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, in terms of how long the relnotes takes and getting them out quicker, they take roughly 3–4 straight hours. I'm going to talk to my employer about seeing if I spend that time during the work week, which would mean that I could have it out later the day of release, or next day, depending on what's happening that given day and when the release is tagged and released on GitHub.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094705">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:43)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> one thing that could be helpful is that beta is cut the friday <em>before</em> the release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094760" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094760">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>back!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094770" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094770">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>so it's in some sense possible to do release notes for the "next" release the weekend before the release, if you wanted to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094828" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094828">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I also saw that, I could also try having it ready even before the release. Though I'll have to do some rejigging on the tool, but that's not too much.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094853" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094853">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>but - I guess a good question to ask - would someone be up for committing to writing the release post, by, say, jan 25th?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094883" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094883">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>that would be a couple weeks out from release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222094901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222094901">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm willing to try it out</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095012">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd also be willing to act as a backup to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="138448">@cuviper</span> if turns out they don't have time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095017" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095017">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok - let's maybe aim to kick off a topic right after this meeting and try to get a list of topics we can agree on by the 15th (next meeting) - would that be helpful <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="138448">@cuviper</span> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095048" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095048">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>(zulip topic that is to discuss which things to include)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095077" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095077">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sure, that works</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095095" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095095">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then depending on how things go this cycle, we can maybe try it for 1 more cycle, and then see if it's a smoother flow for us</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095128" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Steve Klabnik <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095128">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks folks <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095293" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095293">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok - <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic for release blogpost</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095297">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095357" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095357">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, and is there anything else on release retro?</p>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095358" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095358">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095389" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095389">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok let's do <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> first :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095574" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095574">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm, times I wish for typing indicators :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095591" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095591">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well I just wanted to mention, that we had a lot of regressions to point that we considered skipping a release, and I thought we were careful about what we merged, during the time. So I'm wondering is there something we can do about that, or was just since it was bad timing with the holidays and all?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jonas Schievink  [he/him] <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095704">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's due to the release train delay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095714" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095714">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the majority of the regressions were down to one PR, and that landed a while back - I'm not sure there's any significant take away</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095757">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>the PR also fixed  a bunch of problems, fwiw</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095775" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095775">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>(including iirc soundness bugs)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222095984" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222095984">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>Right, I don't have opinions on the PR, just felt like we did try to plan in November to be careful, and it didn't go so well, but you're right in that there's probably not much to take away so we can move on.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096014">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think more broadly we just aren't in a good place regression wise / policy wise here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096055" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096055">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. we have no good way of deciding whether to delay or not or whatever for releases</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096075" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096075">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>but let's not try to figure that out now :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096104" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096104">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>if folks have thoughts though I'd love to chat</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096115" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096115">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@rylev</span> you had something as well?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096134" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096134">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Related to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span>'s point above that I don't think was fully addressed:<br>
The release was during a time when many were not at their normal availability. Is there anything that can be changed to the procedure to make sure that such releases run as smoothly as possible. Perhaps explicitly asking at the beginning of a release cycle if they next release is likely to fall in a time when more people will be out, and to come up with an explicit plan to mitigate the impact to the release.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096338">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096417" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096417">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I think it's sort of related policy wise - I guess for example, I might consider that we might want to just.. have the ability to not branch beta for a cycle or so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096419" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096419">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>FWIW, I don't think we have any releases on a bad period like new years this year, just looking at my calendar of rust releases.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096431" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096431">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., skip a release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096554">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I definitely think doing more explicit planning in the future as to who's "on call" in a loose sense for releases around weird dates would be good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096574" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096574">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and perhaps more broadly)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096606">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>where "on call" to be clear just means like "around with a day or so latency"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096611" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096611">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>personally I think the 6-week cadence is really important for the <em>image</em> of rust as a stable language</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096626">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>And not just from our team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096644" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096644">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>if we say "we had so many things land we're not sure we can make a stable release" that doesn't send a good message IMO</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096675" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096675">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, yes, this would be both compiler and release and maybe tools folks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096713">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>The last three release dates this year are Sept 9th, Oct 21st, and Dec 2nd.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096717">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008/near/222096644">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>if we say "we had so many things land we're not sure we can make a stable release" that doesn't send a good message IMO</p>
</blockquote>
<p>that's not at all what we'd say though?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096726" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096726">(Jan 08 2021 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>The goal is not get caught off guard. There should never be the situation of "unexpected work needs to happen for the end of this release, and everyone is not available to work on it"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096801">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think saying "hey we're going to skip a release because it's on the 31st" is not going to make people think rust is not stable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096895">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, that makes sense. mostly I want to avoid a slippery slope where we start missing more and more releases</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096899" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096899">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>in any case, I think working out a specific list of people/roles who are "good to have around" is definitely a great idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222096915" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222096915">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>but if it's a one time thing for holidays that seems fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097044">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think skipping a release will have a cascading effect though, both in terms of technical infra that's built up around the release dates, and the expectation from people. So it should be considered the last resort.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097093" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097093">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, agreed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097120" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097120">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's a good idea to just ask at the beginning of each release, if there are any special circumstances that put more risk than normal on the release, and then you plan how to mitigate it. This doesn't <em>really</em> have anything to do with deciding whether to skip a release or not. That's another topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097188">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok- I'm going to try to work on a doc on roles that are necessary for smooth operation of releases, and I agree on mitigation planning being more important to do when we anticipate trouble</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097209" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097209">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ideally this is a way to help ensure you never get to the point of having to delay a release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097261">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>we did <em>try</em> to anticipate this one, however ad hoc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097347">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, just not too much action as a result (beyond checking either Pietro or I could run it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097405" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097405">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we should have/ should do more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097472">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic - unless there's something else on this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097475">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097626">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok - <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-meeting ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097629">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to bring up?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if you're ready to end the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2001%2008/near/222097688" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2001.2008.html#222097688">(Jan 08 2021 at 17:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks all!</p>



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